Hummm.. So, what happens if you spray a water hose on the machine? I assume it shows the problem? I find it very hard to believe that the problem cant be found while its doing it right infront of them....... Have you tried taking a hose and seeing what exactly gets wet for the problem to arise?

 

$1500 is serious. Ido not read in your signature that you have installed a snorkle. More than likely just steam from the hot exhaust. Common problem.

How many miles your RIncon and how many times has the intake been under water? Might be something else.

 

Ultratec,

Tried the hose and couldn't get it to do it so I went to a close riding area and ran it, first puddle and flat on it's face. 5 minutes later took off like a raped ape.


SunkAgain,

I do not have a snorkle on her, don't need it for my type of riding. It isn't the steam issues. The machine seems to rev correctly but will only go 32 with no low end power, but you'll be riding and suddenly it will "jump" in power and go 50 with massive low end torque.

My Rincon has about 10K miles on her. She has never been drowned out.

This is a problem that started about 2+ years ago and has only gotten worse. I'd had to sell her, of course I'd hate to lie about the issues inorder to sell her. Sorry, I'm not a used car salesman. But she has me stumped.

I have pulled the entire wire harness and checked each wire, that is a job, and can't find anything. We have tested the current thru them and still nothing. Thwe only thing I am thinking about now is the A & B solenoids at the front of the transmission, they control the oil pressure but my dealer said that when it was lacking power, the oil pressure was correct and the solenoids were working correctly.

I guess I should have started this tread with the update being STILL SCREWED!

 

"Thwe only thing I am thinking about now is the A & B solenoids at the front of the transmission, they control the oil pressure but my dealer said that when it was lacking power, the oil pressure was correct and the solenoids were working correctly."

By reading this, the dealer got it to lose power while they did a pressure check but was unable to find the power loss? Is that correct?

Can you take a video going through a typical puddle? It might help us figure out what is going on. This is just strange.

 

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A friend of mine had a similar problem with a different machine and we narrowed his problem down to a faulty spark plug wire.

Used the water hose technique,as soon as water even misted on one end of the plug wire it would miss. His machine would stumble just from a light mist of water thrown up from the tires. No plug wire and it was good as new and even looking at the bad plug wire off of the machine it appeared fine.

I had a Honda Rancher once that had a leak in the air intake going into the carb and it would stumble from the steam. A buddy fixed that as I am no carb expert.

Best of luck with finding the problem. Things like that will pester the crap out of you and normally it ends up being something stupid.

 

I've herd of issues like this being related to steam getting into the air box. Has that area been looked at ?

 

I'm with Lil G, sounds like an ignition miss. Coil or plug wire. Just a guess though. Do you have another bike or buddy to swap parts with? That would be an easy swap/check.

 

I'm thinkin steam just because the problen cannot be replicated with a garden hose.

 

Just a ? if the engine is hot wouldn't a garden hose cause enough steam to replicate a water hole?

 

I'm not thinking so. When you hit water much more steam is generated than when you squirt it with a hose. More water = more steam.

 

This steam issue is far fetched in my book,unless there is a leak somewhere between the engine and the airbox.

Ride in enough water and you will see plenty of steam.

 

Sorry for taking so long to get back on here, long New Years weekend.

Steam issues: I thought of this and already replaced both hard rubber tubes/seals infront of and behind the carb. I also redid my airbox seals. My carb breather hoses have been run to my handlebars for years so I don't think it is a steam issue, at least not withi the carb.

Coil and wire: I just ordered a new coil/wire for it. Another $46 bucks. I've looked over my existing wire and dont see any visible cracks or anything. Same with the coil itself.

As for really being able to test it, this is Alaska and most everything is frozen this time of year. We have warmed up to the 40s so I'm hoping enough of the snow will melt and allow for a test drive.

Thanks for the suggestions, again!

Just at my whits ends with this.
Is burning your ATV and claiming it on your insurance considered fraud?

 

re the question.. It sure is. :-(
Fixing is an acomplishment. Fire ... anyone can do that!

This is far off center, but perhaps some old school testing might help.

Take a propane tourch bottle with you next time you ride. When if falls flat after the water, turn on the propane (dont lite it) just move it around the carb and any vaccume hoses around the carb. Do this with the seat off, and be quick to get it going, (From on top as the gas will settle quickly)
If she picks up at all, (idle increases) you know you have a vacuume leak and steam is being ingested at that point. Remember to moce stuff around as you move the gas around. Rattle and shake!

You could do this in the garage now also (door open of course) without the problem, and if there is a leak it will rev higher.

My 2 cents

Happy New Year!

 

Oilcan,

I'll try that! SOunds like that might help, oneway or another. It will at least eliminate some questions.


Actually this is a GREAT idea! Lite the propane and then run it round the carb hose, is that correct?

Perfect solution, this will definately solve my problem, old school RULES! ;-)

 

You got it!!!!!!! Sounds like a great way for testing. lol

 

Great idea Oilcan. I didn't think of that. When I was in High School I worked in a service station (you young guys prolly never even seen a service station). Anyway we used to do the same thing with starter fluid. Thinking back decades I believe the idle would decrease whena leak was encountered while using starter fluid. Either way it will change if you have a leak.

 

When you said you inspected the wiring harness. Did you take all of the wiring apart and look at it. Iwas doing a little research and you might have a problem with the Front Vehicle Speed Sensor. Do you have a Service Manual???

 

Oh Gawd... I can see it now... runnin round the fire with your mucklucks on... Holdin the tourch like it was a walrus tusk, making funny grunting sounds...

I said "Dont's lite it"

I would rather hear that you WON this battle rather than "capitulate" like so many do.

Hondaman, I too did some time pumpin gas... the 70's was a great time to be a long hair hangin out at the corner... didn't last too long for me though, I heard the call.

Good Luck RinconFun

 

S.A.rinconrider,

Yes, I have a shop mannual and have it almost completely memorized working on this issue. I completely pulled off the wiring harness and inspected it. I didn't take all the wrapping off, was afraid too but did go over everything that I could see for any rubs etc. Found none.

We submerged it in water with just the ends sticking out and my friend (the electrician) tested the current to make sure that the wires didn't lose signal strength when wet. It passed.

I also, thought it could be the Vehicle Speed Sensors (there are 2 on the front diff) and I have replaced them both, even after having a dealer test them and found that they both checked out.

I have found numerous wiring rubs and cuts on some of the sub-wiring harnesses and they have all been replaced and every plug has been checked, cleaned and had dielectric grease put in them.

I pulled the plugs to the computers checking, cleaning, and dielectric greasing them too. I even took the computers to the dealer and had them checked out too. Passed again.

My new coil shipped today so hopefully it will be in by this weekend and I'll swap it out also.

As far as the dealer can tell everything works fine but it falls flat when splashing thru water. I even sent my Dynatek box back to them for testing, and it works fine. Even tested it with the Dynatek box uninstalled, same results. I honostly can't think of that it could be. Hoping to get my other buddy to either come over or take it home and work on it, he's a electrical mechanic for BP.


Oilcan,

Do you have a time machine? How did you get a picture of my Rincon this summer? Wow your good! Or is that your Rincon having the same issue mine is?

Oh, I'll beat this issue, way to stuborn not too. That and the wife says I can't have a new toy for a while, I got her a new Audi Q7 for Christmas. You'd think that would put me in like Flynn for a new Rincon but sadly no. I get the "if you hadn't broke it it would work fine" statement.

Although technically correct, I keep looking at the new Q7 sitting next to the stripped Rincon and wondering what the hell did I do?

So lets get this completely straight, you said "I said "Do lite it" "
Correct?

 

RinconFun...that picture was one I took in WVa a few years ago when a 400ex experienced a little mechanical issue...seems the rider...a lady smelled some gas which her husband ignored.

I do not know if your joking or not...but will assume you are asking a question. NO, do not light the torch. What you are looking for is a vacuum leak. The propane will get sucked into the leak and the RPM will increase a little. Do this outside with a fire extinguisher handy...spoken from experience.

Picture below is the aftermath of the fire in Oilcans post

 

COrndog,

I was joking. I don't think my employer would like me to come up on in an insurance fraud investigation as the defendant.

This weekend I am hoping to test that on the Rincon, but as long as I've been fighting this issue, a gallon of gas and a blow torch do sound like a good idea. I'll also take your advice about the fire extinquisher too.

I don't really want to burn her down, that would be too quick of a death, rather just roll it down a steep cliff and watch her slowly come apart, of course it is a honda and the darn b***h will probably drive away and still lose water in a puddle. See I can't win for nothing!

As for the picture, that does SUCK!

Thaks for the help.

 

I watched mine roll down a big hill. Got it unwedged from between two trees and road another six hours. Got some funny looks from people passing by. Nothing messed up but a bunch of plastic and both racks. They are built tough.

 

Ok, another stupid question for you. Inoticed in your signature that you have a ScaryFast carb insert. Have you tried it without the insert?

 

S.A.rinconrider,

I have tried it without the ScaryFast in it. Same effect.

I know it is an electrical issue, it is just a matter where the water is getting in at. Ok, it may not be just electrical but Oh who and I kidding I have no clue what it is.

Rincon + Gas + Steep Hill = Lots of fun and one hell of a story!